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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:30:50 -
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ITT: Carebears defending the golden-est goose of all. "Game balance? What's that? Don't touch my money printing mechanic!"
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12815
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:05:50 -
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Dracvlad wrote:If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions
List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12815
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:09:42 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dracvlad wrote:If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions
List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke. Its pretty obvious how to go about it, read the thread there are quite a few details in it, then just extrapolate from that...
So you have none, and you were lying.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12815
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:15:54 -
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Blizzaro wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dracvlad wrote:If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions
List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke. Anyone who has done them can come up with creative ways of disrupting them sadly you just want to be fleet warped and hit f1 for a killmail so I am not sure your brain could understand the mechanics involved.
List some.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12817
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:29:22 -
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Still waiting on that supposedly easy list, Drac.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12817
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:32:41 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Still waiting on that supposedly easy list, Drac. First of all you incorrectly used the word easy, it takes effort, so people call for the nerfing of incursions as the easy option.
Don't lie about what you said. You said that if "anyone takes the time" that they are apparent.
List some, then. Or admit that you lied.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12817
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:35:39 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Thats where the fun disingenuous and lying comes to the fore
Says the person trying to justify the obscenity that is highsec incursions by lying about how they're vulnerable to your imaginary ways of killing them?
That's so rich, mynnna has to look up to see it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12817
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:37:14 -
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Dracvlad wrote: You need to put time and effort into it, its not like rolling up to a retreiver with a Venture, scan it for tank then warp the catalysts in, but then again it shouldn't be like that should it?
You're spinning, and it's obvious to everyone here.
List some. I don't care how much "time" or "effort" you claim it has, list some.
[edit: Oh, and it's really funny to see someone who defends dec dodging with his every breath talk about time or effort, by the way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12817
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:44:12 -
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Can anyone else picture Dracvlad behind his keyboard, scrambling through Battleclinic, trying to find something plausible to claim as a way to kill incursion players?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12819
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:00:28 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Its very evident to me what you can do to attack Incursion runners
List it then, if it actually exists.
Quote: And here is the issue, because it takes too much effort for you people you call for a nerf instead.
If they're making too much money while being too safe, one of those things has to change. Duh.
So how about your cringing justification, then? Go ahead and list it out for us.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12819
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:20:59 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Why would you use a bling fitted carrier?
Why won't list those "number of ways" you were talking about to attack incursions fleets successfully?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12819
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:21:52 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dracvlad wrote:because Jenn is in the top group, she
Is not a she, Jenn is a big huge middle aged black man. While I'm all for consequences and thus addressing people with their char's sex ... ... why do you even know that? Sheeeeeeesh ......... xD
Because I pay attention? His post history doesn't exactly try to hide it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12819
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:29:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Kaarous was asking for way to disrupt them
Actually, I was still just making fun of Dracvlad's repeated claims that there are "numerous ways" that "anyone can think of".
So I'd like to hear about those. But since they're imaginary and he was just blowing smoke to try and defend the golden goose of highsec, I know he won't deliver.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12819
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:30:45 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I'm not just a member of Brothers with White Girl Avatars, I'm the President.
BWGA? Need to think of a better acronym.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12821
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:38:05 -
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Dracvlad wrote: A carrier training time is irrelevant, its a tool that you train into to maximise your return.
It's highly relevant, you just want to discard it because it goes against your narrative. He's not the liar here, you are, desperately spinning around trying to avoid the elephant in the room, that highsec incursions are absolutely broken.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12823
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:48:16 -
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Danalee wrote:I'll repeat this proposal a few times... I think it has merrit; - Make it so the Sansha NPC's (are they called that?) put a sort of bounty on incursion runners to attract gankers and make it potentially profitable to execute a well organised gank on an incursion fleet. Sansha paying 'merc' capsuleers to kill their opposition makes sense, doesn't it? - Slow down concord response times by a lot in incursion systems. Profit. D.
But, Danalee! That would mean that the carebears can't go right on with the extremely unbalanced status quo! That's not fair!
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12823
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:51:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dracvlad wrote: A carrier training time is irrelevant, its a tool that you train into to maximise your return.
It's highly relevant, you just want to discard it because it goes against your narrative. He's not the liar here, you are, desperately spinning around trying to avoid the elephant in the room, that highsec incursions are absolutely broken. Slash it by half and see what happen. I just don't want them to go away as the OP suggested. Risk/reward is forever broken IMO because there is no number that can be put to make a real ratio out of it.
I don't want them removed unless it's out of the question to just make incursions systems default to lowsec. In which case, yes, I want them gone.
But I'd much rather the former, it would be fun to see pockets of lowsec pop up in different places every day.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12823
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:00:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Then I guess you would delete them as the usage would be extremely low...Why keep the code running at that point...
Honestly? I just want to see risk vs reward not be so obscenely unbalanced. Incursions are ridiculous right now, and they either need more risk or less isk. My preference would be for more risk.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12825
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:20:01 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Seems to me like I said before, lots of whine in here simply because HS offers something that NS doesn't, a liscence to print isk. Boo hoo. Ask CCP to make NS income better, because reducing HS income from one event isn't going to change the fact that HS is just a better place to live if you want to bang out pure isk/hr.
No. Inflation is a bad thing, and we need less of it, not vastly more.
The simple fact of the matter is that the safest space in the game should not as lucrative as incursions are. The end. Rant about the rest of it all you like, that is an absolute truth.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12831
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Posted - 2015.04.28 22:15:06 -
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Dracvlad wrote: So to prove that point they will go destroy all the IHUB's in Provi, the one area where null sec actually works
Ha ha, what? Are we talking about the same Provi? The nightmarishly convoluted, pants on head rules enforced solely by CVA's whiny attempts at social pressure?
Provi, and it's hand wringing, limp wristed proponents, is one of the game's biggest jokes.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12832
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Posted - 2015.04.29 12:22:31 -
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Seifer Al'Masy wrote: Sadly, in Eve, Incursions are basicly the only form of group PvE.
While that statement is true, I do not think it justifies permitting such a huge imbalance to continue.
The basic problem with group PvE as a concept is that it will be gamed and exploited, as incursions currently are) if it's beneficial to play compared to solo activities. I honestly can't think of a way CCP could avoid that particular pitfall.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12836
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Posted - 2015.04.29 21:53:34 -
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So apparently, a few hundred people in highsec can make a full third as much as the entire rest of the game combined...
But some people think that's just fine.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12853
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Posted - 2015.04.30 20:25:07 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:maybe rather than nerfing highsec incursions, perhaps we should be asking for a buff to nullsec (active) income sources.
Inflation is bad. Nullsec income does need redone, but just a net buff to what's already there is not appropriate.
[edit: Oh, and because income is relative, adjusting the one massively overpowered thing is a better solution by far than buffing all the others. The nail that stands up should get pounded down.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12855
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Posted - 2015.05.01 08:26:15 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Inflation is not bad in EVE, it is irrelevant. 100% TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. EVE is a closed market system.
And you're done, thanks for playing.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12856
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:19:20 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The bolded part is the best part. "We" are winning already, we've got afkable anoms in null sec for steady income AND high sec alts for making the better Incursion isk (while occupying incursion fleet positions and laughing at the high sec types in the wait list).
i've found it funny for a long time that those who frame the discussion as being 'highseccers versus nullsec/lowseccers' are evidently incapable of looking to the left and to the right of themselves
Or realizing that likely a full third of highsec is alts. Probably closer to half, in all honesty.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12856
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:22:47 -
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Inora Sera wrote: If you really want to screw them over, just gather a fleet of 60 haters and jump into their Plex while they're doing it with **** fit T1 cruisers and wait in the room before the mother.
So, rather than, you know, actually being able to reasonably shoot these farmers, the barrier to entry should not only be 60 people or so, but also we'd be basically afk while doing it? Are you kidding?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12863
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:55:01 -
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baltec1 wrote: Its odd how you can view tech moons as being unbalanced yet you can see the same thing when it comes to highsec activities that are just as broken.
Of course not, that's how intellectual dishonesty works.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12863
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Posted - 2015.05.01 22:36:11 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: It's actually a legitimate objective to control a market with guns - Eve is built for that. It was intended.
There is no such thing as a "legitimate" objective, because this is a sandbox. There are no illegitimate objectives. Eve was built like that, it is intended.
If you hate player freedom, that's fine, but don't complain that it's not working as intended, because it is.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12864
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Posted - 2015.05.02 03:47:03 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: So anything not NS is broken. LOL.
Maybe its NS that is broken...
If you're using incursions as the benchmark, it would make everything else look broken. Even wormhole PvE, which has ludicrous rewards, is at least balanced by risk factor.
So we can fix a dozen or more other things, or we can nerf incursions in some way. I would ask you which one makes better game design sense to you, but you invalidated your opinion on that one with your inflation comments earlier.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12867
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:13:49 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Secondly I don't hate NS
The majority of your post history disagrees.
And yes, by the way, nerfing incursions would fix anoms and a bunch of other things besides, because income, and purchasing power thereby, are relative.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12919
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Posted - 2015.05.07 12:06:21 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Stop trying to kill highsec at the same time as changes are happening to Null, or you swing the pendulum too far. And add more group content into Null.
The new changes make it less attractive to live in nullsec by and large, and the answer to "is a nullsec income rebalance in the works?" has been "Nope".
So yeah, I will go on suggesting that incursions, the most egregiously unbalanced thing in the game today, be adjusted downward, or have more risk added. Because the way they stand at present in unacceptably broken.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12956
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:58:27 -
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Vedrit wrote: Incursioners might go in to low-sec more often if it weren't for the very reason you want them there; to shoot at.
Isn't that exactly the problem? That you're raking in this kind of money without any real risk?
You can be that horribly risk averse if you want, but you damn sure should not be making this kind of money doing it. That should absolutely be reserved for people who do take on risk.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12988
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Posted - 2015.05.15 07:30:38 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Remember how CCP swore that titans cost so much that only the biggest alliances would be able to field a few?
That's a statement about CCP's legendary shortsightedness, not about relativity of personal income.
And as far as personal income goes, incursions are way out of whack.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14257
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Posted - 2015.08.20 11:29:11 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads.
Where have you been? The primary defensive whine when people bring up how obscene incursions are is about null ratting. Nevermind that at best it's half of what incursions make AND requires a carrier to make that much AND comes in the far inferior form of liquid isk.
Income as a whole needs rebalanced from the ground up(with risk vs reward being the key component), because in pretty much every level of space bar wormholes it is broken.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15134
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:46:39 -
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Avvy wrote: If you think it's that bad don't do it.
Not doing it myself doesn't change the fact that it's the most unbalanced personal income in the game. Incursions break risk vs reward in a very literal way, and that's why they will be removed. Hopefully soon.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15135
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:20:40 -
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Avvy wrote: Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense.
Then you don't belong here.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15159
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Posted - 2015.11.20 11:11:23 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except as I posted earlier, it's inconclusive statistics.
Incomplete, but hardly inconclusive.
The mere proportions alone show that incursions are likely going to be on the chopping block. 1.5% of the population making that much raw isk, to say nothing of the LP? It's astonishing that it's lasted as long as it has.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15160
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Posted - 2015.11.20 14:04:30 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: And these players are affecting your Eve how??
Inflation, namely. They also devalue the income of everyone not running incursions, especially new players, since the bar for competitive income is set so high by incursions.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15205
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Posted - 2015.11.22 04:24:23 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote: Nope - only risk is if an attacking force wants to move in.
Which is still 100% more risk than exists in highsec. Especially in an incursion site, since you have a horde of logi backing you up.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15253
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Posted - 2015.11.26 04:01:00 -
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Urziel99 wrote: And I find it hilarious that instead of campaigning to make their own areas better, bitter and self-interested posters insist on crapping in someone else's cheerios.
Because increasing everyone else's income, as opposed to just lowering the biggest offender, not only causes massive inflation, but also severely devalues the relative earning power of new players.
You might want to **** all over new players just to keep your risk free fountain of income, but it's not going to happen that way.
Quote: But it's not about the money is it? It's about the needs of some people to make targets out of others for no other reason then their own gratification.
Waah. Cry more, carebear. Your days of suckling the golden teat are numbered. CCP can't ignore it forever, and it's frankly a miracle that incursions still exist at all given how broken they are.
If you want more reward, you should have to accept more risk. If you won't, you should have second class income.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15256
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Posted - 2015.11.26 23:21:52 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I don't honestly get it.
I do.
Carebears always project.
In this instance, they project their fundamental selfishness and dishonesty onto whomever they're arguing with. They have a selfish ulterior motive for wanting incursions to stay, so they assume you must have one if you want them gone.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15257
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Posted - 2015.11.27 12:23:02 -
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Valacus wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I don't honestly get it.
I do. Carebears always project. In this instance, they project their fundamental selfishness and dishonesty onto whomever they're arguing with. They have a selfish ulterior motive for wanting incursions to stay, so they assume you must have one if you want them gone. Hahaha, oh please. "Elite" PvPers are just as big of babies. "Waaaaaaaah! I can't force them into places where I can kill them easily!" The only one projecting here is you, because you're the one trying to force people to play or do what you want them to because you don't like what they do now. Well, it ain't up to you. Get used to it.
I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything.
I just think risk should equate to reward.
You clearly think you are entitled to all the reward and zero risk. You're wrong.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15257
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Posted - 2015.11.27 12:38:06 -
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Avvy wrote: Why would you want to stop something that brings players together?
Why not? CCP has done much the same thing to salvaging, what once used to need two characters(which was a great way to introduce newbies to the game by having them salvage for you) is now completely replaced by the MTU.
They've set a precedent of doing that before, and for far less reason than they have to deal with incursions, which break the game on a number of levels.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2015.11.27 14:25:10 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Avvy wrote: Why would you want to stop something that brings players together?
Why not? CCP has done much the same thing to salvaging, what once used to need two characters(which was a great way to introduce newbies to the game by having them salvage for you) is now completely replaced by the MTU. They've set a precedent of doing that before, and for far less reason than they have to deal with incursions, which break the game on a number of levels. You comparing the act of salvaging to the act of forming 40 man pickup fleets for the purpose of completing challenging tasks... well that just about says how shallow your argument is doesn't it?
My argument begins and ends with incursions breaking risk vs reward, and thereby income across the game. I'm merely saying that the claim that it should somehow be immune to risk vs reward merely because it's a group activity is entirely foolish, which it is.
Go bite someone else's ankle.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.27 14:26:17 -
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Valacus wrote: And you clearly think you're entitled to all the reward with your comparable risk, as it has been discussed to length that ratting in nullsec ain't all that scary.
So what? No matter how safe you wish to dishonestly claim that null is, the fact of the matter is that highsec is far, far safer.
And the safety inherent in highsec should always result in second rate income. Otherwise, one of the basic premises of the game is broken.
Valacus wrote: Because you have the issue wrong. The issue is nullsec is lame. Removing a few things in high sec does not make null sec suddenly cool.
Wrong.
Income (and earning power) is relative, always.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.27 14:30:50 -
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Aquilan Aideron wrote:Lan Wang wrote:not just talking about nullsec here we are talking about null and low and the risks compared to just doing it in highsec Yes, but why did they put a high profit gig like incursions under the protection of Concord? Wouldnt you think there is a purpose to that decision?
They've said as much in the past, there was none. People were intended to defeat the Sansha in order to get rid of the NPCs who might attack them, their being farmed is wholly unintentional.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15260
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Posted - 2015.11.27 23:56:39 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: So your solution is to nerf the one PVE content piece that REQUIRES player interaction...
No, the solution is to nerf something that can be mindlessly farmed, whose only real difficulty is in a cost barrier to the expensive ship needed to farm the site, that gives obscene levels of income for how easy and safe it is.
More PvE should be like Blood Raiders, and much, much less PvE should be like Incursions. One of those is actually fun, while the other is just a grind festival.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15260
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Posted - 2015.11.28 00:05:14 -
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Oh, and before you try and defend the obscene income of incursions by claiming the cost barrier justifies it, I'll just let you know right now that you're wrong to do it.
The cost barrier condemns it still further, since it punishes new players by setting it completely out of their reach and thereby creating a huge disparity in their earning power.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 00:43:59 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: Not even going to point out the hypocrisy of this statement when the 40 man fleet, organized and led by a competent FC to complete these "mindless farming sites" in any sort of timely fashion as to achieve said offending amounts of isk is not much dissimilar to the mindless pvp fleets of this game, where killmails are produced by careful and diligent work of a competent FC.
"competent FC"?
Because it really takes so much competence to broadcast target priorities?
Literally everything you carebears cry about nullsec players is 100% worse in Incursions(and don't tell me you don't constantly cry about real players, it's half your post history). You orbit the anchor, you press F1, you get a frankly absurd amount of money for it. (Nullsec combat is actually far more involved, because as it turns out, NPCs always behave the same, unlike the FC on the other side of the proverbial chessboard)
Carebears always project.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15264
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Posted - 2015.11.28 01:30:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: BTW according to the Alt he's some kind of accountant type that uses all kinds of math and stuff...
I too, can lie on the internet.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15264
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Posted - 2015.11.28 01:42:24 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: BTW according to the Alt he's some kind of accountant type that uses all kinds of math and stuff...
I too, can lie on the internet. That you have definitely proven.
Whoosh.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15264
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Posted - 2015.11.28 01:50:08 -
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Markus Reese wrote: Gotta agree with Kaarous. Difference between pvp F1 monkeys and Incursion F1 monkeys is that the pvp FC is heading into an unregulated system. A competent incursion FC is only so if they can stick to the plan.
Somewhat.
The major difference between the two is that the nullsec FC has an actual adversary, not just highly predictable NPCs that have had their behavior mapped out for years.
The lesson to be learned here is that PvP and PvE are not comparable. The only difficulty inherent in PvE content in and of itself is derived from ignorance.(or procedural generation, something I doubt CCP's servers can handle) Otherwise, PvE's major difficulty factor is completely derived from the actions of other players.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 02:03:40 -
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And before Chimpy McStrawman pops in again, I'll point out one more thing.
I am not saying that pushing F1 is any harder in nullsec than it is in highsec.
What I am saying however, is that the POTENTIAL for complexity, unforeseen events, and thereby inherent difficulty, is far higher in any PvP interaction than it is in any PvE interaction. Because you have an actual adversary to contend with, not just a computer script.
The only potential for those things in PvE comes from ignorance of the content you are doing, or from other players turning it into a PvP interaction.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 02:17:45 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:but the problem is how badly you null players want them nerfed.
Are you seriously saying that the truth of their statements doesn't matter, just because of who is saying it?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 02:39:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:like he did when he linked a graph showing incursion runners generated the 3rd largest isk faucet after he admitted that few people run incursions (a situation recently confirmed by CCP Quants postings).
That was hilarious. If anything guaranteed an incoming nerf to incursions, it was showing that such a tiny percentage of the community generates such a hugely disproportionate amount of the isk. (And hell, incursions don't just give isk)
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 03:36:16 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: I only said that because most (if not all) the complaints against hi-sec incursions stems from null sec players. I've been re-reading all the posts in this forums and can clearly see that incursions are broken. But I've yet to read a proper post stating how to fix them without destroying them. And still waiting.........
And that requires asking yourself the question: "Are Incursions redeemable, does anything justify their existence in the face of how broken they are?"
And for a lot of people that answer is no. I would argue that carebear tears alone are the only reason incursions were ever allowed to exist past the first year.
Quote: Edit: So what if they are broken. I can't see the harm in one little broken aspect of Eve being this big a problem since it's only run by a very small commute.
That's not a saving grace. It's yet another condemnation, that incursions are so absurdly lucrative that a tiny, tiny portion of the population makes so goddamn much money.
So what if they're run by a small amount of people? Broken is broken. If it did not generate assets into the game world, it would not such an imperative, but it does(and tons of it at that). It harms the game's economy, and the game itself basically is the economy.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 06:11:36 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: You want to remove incursions from game altogether?
I'm explaining that position, anyway.
Incursions should preferably be replaced by something that has some significance in current lore, that is neither easily farmed or absurdly lucrative.
Quote: Otherwise there be would a risk of say 3-4k players unsubbing because you removed their content from the game without compensation for lack of this content.
Yeah, carebears have been wholeheartedly advocating for the deletion of entire playstyles for a while now, so you can't even claim moral high ground on that.
Second, if you think three or four thousand people run incursions, or care whether they exist, you're nuts. They didn't even get that many unsubs when they finally ISBoxer cheaters.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 09:27:27 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Huh, kinda sounds like the Drifter Incursions.
It kinda does, huh? The second I heard about those, I knew the writing was on the wall for the current incursions. They even call it the same name for goodness sakes.
There's no point defending that particular golden goose anymore, it's going to get the axe.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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